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The different Rinnegan levels that we have seen.
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| MGB2000X | Date: Saturday, 2011-07-09, 9:52 PM | Message # 61 |
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| Stories of a monk sure but no indication of whether this was before or after the Juubi incident.
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| panikoskun | Date: Saturday, 2011-07-09, 11:06 PM | Message # 62 |
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| Jiraya and Madara put it prior to the incident as he was travelling through the world and developing ninjtsus.
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| MGB2000X | Date: Monday, 2011-07-11, 2:37 PM | Message # 63 |
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| Saw a theory on another site which sort of applies to this.
The bit that really ties in with my belief that the sage gained the rinnegan after sealing the Juubi is the similarity between the sage's eye and that of the Juubi.
The Juubi's eye has three concentric rings with each ring having 9 tomoe. Take away the tomoe and you have the rinnegan.
The guy on the other forum theorised that the 9 tomoe represented the ten tails chakra and by dividing the chakra into 9 beasts and expelling them the rinnegan was created. Subtract the tomoe and you have the rinnegan.
Say the sage had his son's whilst he still had the juubi's chakra then his elder son is tainted by the juubi's chakra. The tomoe in the sharingan could just be an indication of the terrible chakra the Uchiha possess.
The Kyuubi commented that Sasuke and Madara have chakra that is more sinister than his own. What could possibly be more sinister than the kyuubi? Well the juubi of course.
How's that bro?
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| Niru | Date: Monday, 2011-07-11, 5:28 PM | Message # 64 |
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| Quote (MGB2000X) Saw a theory on another site which sort of applies to this.
The bit that really ties in with my belief that the sage gained the rinnegan after sealing the Juubi is the similarity between the sage's eye and that of the Juubi.
The Juubi's eye has three concentric rings with each ring having 9 tomoe. Take away the tomoe and you have the rinnegan.
The guy on the other forum theorised that the 9 tomoe represented the ten tails chakra and by dividing the chakra into 9 beasts and expelling them the rinnegan was created. Subtract the tomoe and you have the rinnegan.
Say the sage had his son's whilst he still had the juubi's chakra then his elder son is tainted by the juubi's chakra. The tomoe in the sharingan could just be an indication of the terrible chakra the Uchiha possess.
The Kyuubi commented that Sasuke and Madara have chakra that is more sinister than his own. What could possibly be more sinister than the kyuubi? Well the juubi of course.
How's that bro?
Quite impressive bro.
To think of Sasuke's MS is having 6 Tomoyo
And others are having thre tomoyo. Does than mean, the MS can go to nine tomoyo may reveal the secret
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| MGB2000X | Date: Monday, 2011-07-11, 9:53 PM | Message # 65 |
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| Quote (Niru) To think of Sasuke's MS is having 6 Tomoyo
Dunno about that man. There are six points to his mangekyo but they don't look like the classic tomoe we've seen in the sharingan.
Quote (Niru) And others are having thre tomoyo. Does than mean, the MS can go to nine tomoyo may reveal the secret
I'm thinking that the Uchiha access greater and greater power through hatred. I think the 9 tomoe is reserved for the juubi or maybe the juubi jinchuriki.
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| panikoskun | Date: Tuesday, 2011-07-12, 10:38 AM | Message # 66 |
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| Quote (MGB2000X) Saw a theory on another site which sort of applies to this.
The bit that really ties in with my belief that the sage gained the rinnegan after sealing the Juubi is the similarity between the sage's eye and that of the Juubi.
The Juubi's eye has three concentric rings with each ring having 9 tomoe. Take away the tomoe and you have the rinnegan.
The guy on the other forum theorised that the 9 tomoe represented the ten tails chakra and by dividing the chakra into 9 beasts and expelling them the rinnegan was created. Subtract the tomoe and you have the rinnegan.
Say the sage had his son's whilst he still had the juubi's chakra then his elder son is tainted by the juubi's chakra. The tomoe in the sharingan could just be an indication of the terrible chakra the Uchiha possess.
The Kyuubi commented that Sasuke and Madara have chakra that is more sinister than his own. What could possibly be more sinister than the kyuubi? Well the juubi of course.
How's that bro?
Well because the Uchihas have made a negative impact on the entire world starting from the elder brother. They do seem to be the root of everything that is wrong on this world. The Bijuus might be a concentration of chakra that is prawn towards hate but that don't necessarily mean that they are out to do evil. Its how they are used by the hosts.
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| MGB2000X | Date: Tuesday, 2011-07-12, 1:27 PM | Message # 67 |
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| Quote (panikoskun) Bijuus might be a concentration of chakra that is prawn towards hate but that don't necessarily mean that they are out to do evil.
Chakra is just energy, but the evidence would indicate that when the Bijuu are free, unsealed, they are nothing but a force for destruction.
Now we can get into a discussion about what evil is etc. For example say a lion kills and eats a group of defenceless villagers. Is the lion evil? I'd say no it is just being true to it's nature as a predatory carnivore.
The Bijuu were created as they are and very few people have tried to understand or help them. They have been fought, trapped and sealed to be used as weapons. I think the only jinchuriki that has mastered his Bijuu is Killer Bee. Maybe this has genuinely changed the Hachibi, so that even if he were released from Bee he would be a force for good.
The elder son of the sage had a spirals for eyes, if you look at then they look like an extended tomoe. Maybe one tail worth of Juubi chakra was sealed within the elder brother.
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| panikoskun | Date: Wednesday, 2011-07-13, 1:22 PM | Message # 68 |
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| The three tails bro was minding his own business when the Akatsuki messed up with it. The 5 tails was residing in deep forests is slumber with no intention of attracting attention.
The Bijuus made their choice to stay away from humanity. It was humanity that chased them for power.
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| MGB2000X | Date: Wednesday, 2011-07-13, 10:15 PM | Message # 69 |
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| With regards to the three tails it is said to have been reduced to it's animal nature. It seems to be lacking intelligence.
I've no idea about the 5 tails. Is this info from databooks? if so where do you read them?
Those two examples seem docile enough but the others aren't. The Kyuubi is constantly spouting hateful sentiment. The Ichibi tormented Gaara even though he'd been made a host without his consent, demanded blood and instilled the fear that if he fell asleep he would be consumed by the demon. Hachibi was a bit of a rampager but that's understandable if you're being weaponised against your will.
As for the two, four, six and seven tails we don't know so much. Based on the Kyuubi and Ichibi, bijuu are not a particularly nice bunch. Their hate may stem from their exploitation but they don't even seem to show sympathy for the hosts who are themselves being exploited.
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| panikoskun | Date: Thursday, 2011-07-14, 12:18 PM | Message # 70 |
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| mangashare is your friend bro.
The 3-tails was like an animal but he never attacked anyone without provocation. Big difference.
You are looking at those Bijuus state while they are within their hosts which is completely different with their state when they are outside of their host.
Of course they would act spiteful bro. Anyone would act as such if he was stripped down of his physical body and trapped within another body with no freedom.
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| MGB2000X | Date: Friday, 2011-07-15, 1:14 PM | Message # 71 |
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| The Ichibi and Kyuubi were sealed inside children.
They had to have known that these kids had no choice and no part in their capture and sealing. They tormented children from the inside, whichever way you cut it that's just wrong. Gaara and Naruto were in same boat as the Bijuu.
The bijuu lack compassion and empathy, both traits of psychopathy
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| panikoskun | Date: Saturday, 2011-07-16, 12:09 PM | Message # 72 |
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| They were sealed inside children by grown ups who experimented on them in order to decide which child would be more compatible to them. The Bijuus are different entities with their own cognition. Their behavior so far was linked to the humans who were using them so all their actions can be traced on the human element.
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| MGB2000X | Date: Sunday, 2011-07-17, 3:49 PM | Message # 73 |
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| Their malice towards the whole of humanity shows no discretion. Either they are all bad or they are all good.
Such sweeping generalisations, with no appreciation of the subtleties shows a lack of intelligence.
I'll accept we don't know a detailed history, but what we do know is that they have been exploited by humanity.
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| panikoskun | Date: Monday, 2011-07-18, 1:16 PM | Message # 74 |
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| In Naruto's entire plot there has been one recurring theme over and over again. That nothing in this world is black and white but more in a middle gray. The same applies for the Bijuus. We have seen their actions through the eyes or bodies of humans and when we actually saw them out of their human hosts they were still hunted down and/or provoked to fight.
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| MGB2000X | Date: Monday, 2011-07-18, 2:09 PM | Message # 75 |
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| Not enough evidence but it makes sense the we've not heard it from their side.
It's a possibility.
It would not make sense for the sage to create 9 beings who are not as destructive as the original but still pretty damn destructive.
So what did he do with all the malice?
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