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Chapter 545- An Immortals Army
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| panikoskun | Date: Wednesday, 2011-07-06, 10:17 PM | Message # 46 |
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| Quote (Niru) Ummmmmm.
In Hachibi case, we saw while fight with Kisame Bee fell for unconscious for a small period of time, Then Hachibi was asking Bee to wake up. But in Naruto Case, while he was fighting with Haku and others Kyuubi was eagerly wishing to overtake Naruto's Body
It essentially depends on the whole fight your Bijuu and make a contract thingy.
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| TobiRikudou | Date: Thursday, 2011-07-07, 9:04 PM | Message # 47 |
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| Naruto isnt a fullbred Uzumaki, he's half Namikaze, it sounds too simple, but maybe that's one reason he's having so much trouble with it, Kushina had the same seal on her and had no trouble at all (same with Mito)
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| panikoskun | Date: Friday, 2011-07-08, 1:12 PM | Message # 48 |
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| Well I guess so but even Kushina who was a fullbred Uzumaki from what we have seen didn't have actually or most likely full control of the Kyuubi so I think it more has to do with which genes are stronger and not about pure breeds and such.
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| TobiRikudou | Date: Friday, 2011-07-08, 1:36 PM | Message # 49 |
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| Naruto had trouble containing the Kyuubi, that's why we had the 8-tails incident during the fight with Pein, putting aside the fact that the seal had weakened, Naruto' body wasnt as "good" as a full Uzumaki body.
Pureblood Uzumakis have better chances because i'm thinking of it like this: Madara took the Kyuubi from Mito (dun remember how)
And the most recent even: He waited until Kushina was giving birth to Naruto and the seal to weaken in order to make his move, which means that he couldnt have gotten the Kyuubi otherwise no matter what.
But Naruto....he almost "failed" and the Kyuubi waas released, without anybody interfering.
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| panikoskun | Date: Friday, 2011-07-08, 1:43 PM | Message # 50 |
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| If Kushina could have been a better container then she would most likely had more chances at controlling the Kyuubi which evidently she didn't since she didn't have the abilities that the Kyuubi gives to their host once controlled. And bro the fact that she also knew how to use seals by herself comes along way bro.
Naruto's body was in all purposes as good as her mother's. Its just that his psyche was not in the same level as his mothers. He lack of balance was what caused the outbursts and not that he wasn't a good container.
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| TobiRikudou | Date: Friday, 2011-07-08, 1:49 PM | Message # 51 |
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| Well Kushina simply never trained the way Naruto did, and Naruto wouldnt have trained either if it wasnt for this war. Kushina was just a jar for the Kyuubi to be in, and in that, she was better than Naruto.
Well everything matters when one has to be a good container or not. I honestly doubt that Naruto would've stayed alive if the Kyuubi had broken free in the fight with Pein (just as Kushina was still alive when Madara took out the Kyuubi)
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| panikoskun | Date: Friday, 2011-07-08, 1:52 PM | Message # 52 |
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| I kind of think that he would have stayed alive and the fact that Mito had taken Kushina under her wing and told her about the Kyuubi and all means that she had information about her Bijuu and what to do which essentially gave her an advantage that Naruto never had and never will have.
As such the fact that Naruto attained better control than Kushina tells that he is a better container. Naruto's training with his Bijuu at the moment is only superficial which makes his accomplishment even more strong.
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| TobiRikudou | Date: Friday, 2011-07-08, 2:02 PM | Message # 53 |
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| Well that's true, but they chose Uzumakis for a reason. What makes me wonder is this, why didnt Hashirama become its host, he was the ultimate beast when it comes to controlling bijuus....
Naruto did that special trainning, the same thing which allowed Bee to tame his beast, plus he didnt do it alone, his mom helped him out.
He didnt do it by himself at all bro. He would've done it by himself if he went to train somewehere all alone and tame it by using his own powers without any other means. (not even killebee did it alone)
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| panikoskun | Date: Friday, 2011-07-08, 2:05 PM | Message # 54 |
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| And neither did Kushina bro. But its all about the quality for infos that you have. Kushina had Mito which was a perfect Jinchuuriki for the Kyuubi which essentially gave her grade-A infos about the beast.
Hashirama might had the body for it but I doubt that he had the life-span and in my opinion neither did he had the sealing prowess to actually seal it in. Only the Rikudo and the Uzumakis had that.
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| TobiRikudou | Date: Friday, 2011-07-08, 2:26 PM | Message # 55 |
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| Kushina didnt do it anything by herself because they never attempted to do anything, Mito hadnt trained either, if she had done what Naruto did, Madara wouldnt exist today xD
Yeah that's true but you know, Hashirama was best buddies with the Uzumakis and the villages were close allies, they could've helped him out.
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| panikoskun | Date: Friday, 2011-07-08, 2:33 PM | Message # 56 |
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| Quote (TobiRikudou) Kushina didnt do it anything by herself because they never attempted to do anything, Mito hadnt trained either, if she had done what Naruto did, Madara wouldnt exist today xD
Yeah that's true but you know, Hashirama was best buddies with the Uzumakis and the villages were close allies, they could've helped him out.
Actually the attempt to transfer the Bijuu from host to host most likely had the need for Kushina to be trained and learn about it prior to the sealing which would mean that she had access to infos from Mito. The knowledge of a former Jinchuuriki especially when the carries the same beast as you is very valuable bro.
Well even if they did wanted to help him by teaching him the sealing techs I rather doubt that he would had what it needed to actually get the job done.
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| TobiRikudou | Date: Friday, 2011-07-08, 2:35 PM | Message # 57 |
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| I'm talking about the jincurikis doing what Naruto has done, THAT kind of trainning, in order to harness the kyuubi's chakra and take its power, although....that was the WHOLE Kyuubi, which might make a difference here...
That might be true, but i find it hard to believe, the man could control bijuus at will like pets.
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| panikoskun | Date: Friday, 2011-07-08, 2:39 PM | Message # 58 |
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| Well this training bro as Killer Bee said was something that all the Jinchuurikis before him have done. But since Naruto never had the facilities or prior knowledge for that it took him time to get there. But for Kushina it was different because she did had these resources from her clan.
He could do that but I don't know if he could use them in a way like Madara could use the Kyuubi. Perhaps he could just calm them down.
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| TobiRikudou | Date: Friday, 2011-07-08, 2:42 PM | Message # 59 |
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| I dont know what all the resources were, it was never mentioned, Kushina couldnt do what Naruto does now, there has been no indication that she did, neither did Mito.
Well...i dont think Madara really used the Kyuubi, he cast a genjutsu and the Kyuubi went rampant really.
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| panikoskun | Date: Friday, 2011-07-08, 2:48 PM | Message # 60 |
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| Mito had the same abilities as Naruto and we do know that. Mito was a perfect Jinchuuriki and when it was time of her to die she took Kushina under her wing and taught her. Mito as a Kyuubi Jinchuuriki would be the ideal teacher for the next Jinchuuriki. So even before the sealing took place Mito was the resource that Kushina needed.
Well bro it says clearly in the manga that the Sharingan genjutsu takes the Kyuubi's free will and makes it into a puppet.
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