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| panikoskun | Date: Wednesday, 2011-06-29, 2:55 PM | Message # 1 |
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| Okay well I guess we were all surprised to see that Nagato and Naruto were from the same clan.
So now this is a theory about what might happen. Of course the Sage mode and Kyuubi chakra is another alternative theory and this one is just a different one.
Lets begin with what we known. Nagato was an Uzumaki. Madara said to Konan that he gave Nagato his Rinnegan. Now I don't think that Madara had Rinnegans to pass down. The ones that we see now in Madara's Paths exist in there because Madara has the Rinnegan and the Sharingan just how it did with Nagato's paths with the shared vision.
So what alternative could happen since its highly unlikely that Madara had Rikudo's Rinnegan. My belief is that Madara infused some of his Uchiha eye power to Nagato. This along with the fact that Uzumaki's have exceptional bodies that for some reason resemble the body that Rikudo had might have awakened within Nagato the Rinnegan. Yes this is what I postulate with this theory. That the Uzumaki clan can awaken the Rinnegan. We have seen that they are the best suited to house Bijuus. In Konoha even amongst the Senju they picked the Uzumaki clan to house the Kyuubi. Now why would they do that? In my belief is because they were aware of the fact that the Uzumaki bodies were closer to Rikudo's body.
Now what this would mean for Naruto. We have seen Itachi giving Naruto a portion of his power as a gift. Now what if Madara used a similar process with Nagato? This would bring the conclusion that Naruto has the ingredients to awaken his own Rinnegan. And I mean his own Rinnegan with a unique pattern.
We know that to become a Rikudo you need both the power of the body and the power of the eye. Naruto has been seen to have the Senju spirit in him anyways. And the eye power could be very well handed down within Itachi's gift.
Now we have seen that Kishi wants to make Naruto the next savior. He went to great lengths at linking Naruto to the Senju and then to another Rikudo descendant which was Nagato.
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| amarlie_24 | Date: Thursday, 2011-06-30, 10:19 AM | Message # 2 |
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| Quote (panikoskun) Now we have seen that Kishi wants to make Naruto the next savior. He went to great lengths at linking Naruto to the Senju and then to another Rikudo descendant which was Nagato.
I am wondering nii-chan who is Kishi.. Anyway, As for the possibility that both Nagato and Naruto came from one heritage and that is the Uzumaki clans. But I wonder about Nagato's parents, the 2 ninjas who killed Nagato's parents said that they were no ninjas. Instead, they are civilians. So, I guess that those Nagato's parents I assumed that they just adopted Nagato from it's real parents to hide his true power and nature and from which clan did he come from. What do you think about that Nii-chan? Same as with Naruto. The Sandaime hokage needs to protect Naruto and his father so they used Uzumaki which is his mother's maiden name. I think there are many things to talk about both Naruto and Nagato's heritage for they are in depth and hard to explain sometimes.
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| panikoskun | Date: Thursday, 2011-06-30, 12:56 PM | Message # 3 |
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| Quote (amarlie_24) I am wondering nii-chan who is Kishi.. Anyway, As for the possibility that both Nagato and Naruto came from one heritage and that is the Uzumaki clans. But I wonder about Nagato's parents, the 2 ninjas who killed Nagato's parents said that they were no ninjas. Instead, they are civilians. So, I guess that those Nagato's parents I assumed that they just adopted Nagato from it's real parents to hide his true power and nature and from which clan did he come from. What do you think about that Nii-chan? Same as with Naruto. The Sandaime hokage needs to protect Naruto and his father so they used Uzumaki which is his mother's maiden name. I think there are many things to talk about both Naruto and Nagato's heritage for they are in depth and hard to explain sometimes.
Kishi is Kishimoto. Well the Uzumaki clan was a peace loving clan sis. To me Naruto's heritage is the key to him becoming the next Rikudo.
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| Lea | Date: Thursday, 2011-06-30, 1:41 PM | Message # 4 |
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| Mmm... I didn't know Naruto and Nagato are from the same clan that's news to me, but I'm also asking why is Nagato's parents just civilians. And one thing I was wondering what happened to the rest of the clan it just seem that they dissapeared?
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| panikoskun | Date: Thursday, 2011-06-30, 2:48 PM | Message # 5 |
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| Quote (Lea) Mmm... I didn't know Naruto and Nagato are from the same clan that's news to me, but I'm also asking why is Nagato's parents just civilians. And one thing I was wondering what happened to the rest of the clan it just seem that they dissapeared?
Well they were civilians most likely because the Uzumaki clan didn't desire to use their powers for confrontation.
The Uzumaki clan was wiped out because all the Villages desired and feared their powers so they decided to deal with them.
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| Lea | Date: Thursday, 2011-06-30, 3:18 PM | Message # 6 |
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| Quote (panikoskun) Well they were civilians most likely because the Uzumaki clan didn't desire to use their powers for confrontation.
The Uzumaki clan was wiped out because all the Villages desired and feared their powers so they decided to deal with them.
Wow really that harsh. SO why was the Uzumaki clan so feared what made them so dangerous?
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| panikoskun | Date: Thursday, 2011-06-30, 3:19 PM | Message # 7 |
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| Quote (Lea) Wow really that harsh. SO why was the Uzumaki clan so feared what made them so dangerous?
They possessed powerful sealing techniques that were unique to them like the Death God sealed that Minato used and also they had space/time jutsu knowledge and of course bodies that allowed them to leave for many many years.
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| amarlie_24 | Date: Thursday, 2011-06-30, 4:02 PM | Message # 8 |
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| Quote (panikoskun) They possessed powerful sealing techniques that were unique to them like the Death God sealed that Minato used and also they had space/time jutsu knowledge and of course bodies that allowed them to leave for many many years.
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Bodies that allowed them to leave? Hmm I want a further explanation for that one Date-kun. I think Uzumaki clans are really fearsome one if ever they are still alive at least with Naruto, they will be an awesome ninjas. I want to ask questions but then I'll post it in another thread so that there'll be no problem with the discussions...
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| panikoskun | Date: Thursday, 2011-06-30, 4:14 PM | Message # 9 |
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| Quote (amarlie_24) Bodies that allowed them to leave? Hmm I want a further explanation for that one Date-kun. I think Uzumaki clans are really fearsome one if ever they are still alive at least with Naruto, they will be an awesome ninjas. I want to ask questions but then I'll post it in another thread so that there'll be no problem with the discussions...
Sorry I meant live.
Okay let me make it more detailed. We know that the Senju possess the body of Rikudo and the Uchihas the eye of Rikudo. Now looking at those two clans we can assume that their features would bring them closer to Rikudo but they don't.
The Senju don't have the most resilient bodies and the Uchiha's don't possess the strongest doujutsu. While at the same time we saw that Nagato has a resilient body and also the most powerful doujutsu(eye akai the Rinnegan)
Now what that would mean is that for some reason the Uzumaki appear to have both elements of the Rikudo in them. They appear to show both the body and the eye.
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| Sage | Date: Saturday, 2011-07-02, 10:36 AM | Message # 10 |
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| Ummm...........well i was thinking for a long time that what if rikudo sealed his rinnegan, before dying, in order to make them useless if someone transplant them into their eyes and somehow madara got those eyes and may have tried to break the seal but was unable to do it. So, he sealed them in an uzumaki(as pat bro said that uzumakis' bodies resembles to that of rikudo) to re-awaken them. As we all know that uzumakis have strong chakra and knowledge of sealing techs, so maybe thats how madara gave him his rinnegan and how he was able to awake his rinnegan.............! Added (2011-07-02, 10:36 Am)
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Ummm...........well i was thinking for a long time that what if rikudo sealed his rinnegan, before dying, in order to make them useless if someone transplant them into their eyes and somehow madara got those eyes and may have tried to break the seal but was unable to do it. So, he sealed them in an uzumaki(as pat bro said that uzumakis' bodies resembles to that of rikudo) to re-awaken them. As we all know that uzumakis have strong chakra and knowledge of sealing techs, so maybe thats how madara gave him his rinnegan and how he was able to awake his rinnegan.............!
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| Niru | Date: Saturday, 2011-07-02, 12:00 PM | Message # 11 |
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| Quote (Sage) i was thinking for a long time that what if rikudo sealed his rinnegan, before dying, in order to make them useless if someone transplant them into their eyes and somehow madara got those eyes and may have tried to break the seal but was unable to do it. So, he sealed them in an uzumaki(as pat bro said that uzumakis' bodies resembles to that of rikudo) to re-awaken them. As we all know that uzumakis have strong chakra and knowledge of sealing techs, so maybe thats how madara gave him his rinnegan and how he was able to awake his rinnegan
Well the Elder son of the Rikodou is said to be born with Rikodou's Eye Power. And Sharingan was evolved from Rinnegan after few generations passed. So if Rikodou sealed his Rinnegan then there are other descendants from where he can get. Of course the Elder Son's descendants were not shown in the Naruto Series. Only Uchihas were shown
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| panikoskun | Date: Saturday, 2011-07-02, 1:03 PM | Message # 12 |
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| Quote (Sage) Ummm...........well i was thinking for a long time that what if rikudo sealed his rinnegan, before dying, in order to make them useless if someone transplant them into their eyes and somehow madara got those eyes and may have tried to break the seal but was unable to do it. So, he sealed them in an uzumaki(as pat bro said that uzumakis' bodies resembles to that of rikudo) to re-awaken them. As we all know that uzumakis have strong chakra and knowledge of sealing techs, so maybe thats how madara gave him his rinnegan and how he was able to awake his rinnegan.............!
Good point bro. Now I will pose another question. If Madara did have more than one Rinnegan eyes at his disposal why go to the Rain Village to take the one that Nagato had?
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| Sage | Date: Sunday, 2011-07-03, 10:33 AM | Message # 13 |
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| Madara dont have more than one pair of rinnegan. Go to the last page of chapter 544 and see the eyes of jinchurikis. Their eyes are black which means they have their original eyes and it also means that madara didnt transplant sharingan and rinnegan to those edo jinchurikis.
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| panikoskun | Date: Sunday, 2011-07-03, 12:56 PM | Message # 14 |
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| Quote (Sage) Madara dont have more than one pair of rinnegan. Go to the last page of chapter 544 and see the eyes of jinchurikis. Their eyes are black which means they have their original eyes and it also means that madara didnt transplant sharingan and rinnegan to those edo jinchurikis.
Its a rhetorical question because people assume that Madara had Rinnegans lying around here and there. If he did then he wouldn't have to go and take Nagatos which means that these Rinnegans that we see in the Edos are a linked product of his Rinnegan.
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| MGB2000X | Date: Thursday, 2011-07-07, 1:54 PM | Message # 15 |
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| Still not buying it that there are only one set of Rinnegans, Negato's.
Quote (Sage) Their eyes are black
I'm looking at page 16 of chapter 544 the sharingan has a black schlera around it, maybe he's controlling them via sharingan like he did with the kyuubi against Hashirama. As for the Rinnegan no blackness, maybe a little around the edge but not on all the edo's.
I think Madara didn't have rinnegans laying around he had to get them from Negato's 6 paths. Naraka, preta, human and asura were all destroyed by Naruto.
This leave outer, animal, deva and Negato, thats 4 pairs of eyes in total.
In order to give the new 6 paths a rinnegan Madara needed 7 eyes in total, so he now has one laying around. At least that's what I think
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